Ecumenism: The Moravian Prophecy, Count Zinzendorf and Pete Greig’s 24-7 Prayer Movement; examining the correlations

THE ORDER OF THE MUSTARD SEED**

Here is the official Order of the Mustard Seed website. Does the Order of the Mustard Seed have a hidden agenda? Who is behind the 24-7 prayer movement? International House of Prayer (IHOP)?

PETER GREIG, FOUNDER OF 24-7 PRAYER, REVIVER OF THE OLD ORDER OF THE MUSTARD SEED AND MORAVIAN CHURCH

Peter Greig is the founder of the 24-7 prayer movement, which is apparently, according to official sources, reviving this old order and is inspired by the ancient Moravians’ 24-7 praying. According to some sources, the 17th century ‘Order of the Mustard Seed’ is even encouraging members to take a lifelong vow of commitment. This commitment to the vows of the order are to be symbolized with a ring. This is information gleaned from this document, a downloadable file, concerning the ancient order and its official modern day restoration through the 24-7 prayer movement. The many Christian churches and supporters of this movement are openly stating that they are inspired by the Morovian Church and the ancient Mustard Seed vow. Is this why they are holding 24-7 prayer? Peter Greig has even written a few books on this, and written online concerning his ‘2020 Vision’ which is partly aimed at mobilizing Christians internationally to create more and more ‘boiler rooms’, or prayer rooms. Official 24-7 websites inform that these boiler rooms are inspired by the Celtic monasteries, the Franciscans and the Moravians (for details of the vision, click the pdf document of the ‘2020 Vision’ above).

Some research groups, such as Lighthouse Trails Research, perceive that this ‘monastary’ movement is dangerous due to a leaning toward contemplative prayer and new age spirituality.

Most Christians would never disagree that 24-7 praying is bad. God does want us to pray after all (1 Thessalonians 5:17). However, one must consider all the aspects of a movement to discern whether it is of God or not. It would be unwise to accept a movement that claims to be Christian at face value. Jesus warned us that the false prophets would look like sheep (Matt. 7:15). Likewise, we must not trust any movement if it seems harmless, but rather, we should test that movement. Afterall, Jesus commanded us to ‘test the spirits’.

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world”. (1 John 4:1)

All aspects of the movement must be weighed with the truth of scripture. In these last days, we must be careful and extra discerning. IT IS NOT SINFUL OR UNRIGHTEOUS TO USE DISCERNMENT AND TO TEST DOCTRINES AND PRACTICES AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD! In this last hour, we MUST be like the Bereans who examined the scriptures daily before they took any teaching or practice at face value. Lives depend on it.

“Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so”. (Acts 17:11)

So, is this movement scriptural or mystical? Is there anything behind the curtain of the 24-7 prayer?

One thought that came to me was…are we to be taking ‘vows’ to 18th century ‘orders’ or a vision? What would the Apostle Paul say about this? Jesus? Are we to be following the example of an ancient church, or following the example of Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul in the scriptures? Remember what Paul said to the Corinthian church?

“Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” (1 Cor. 11:1)

Is it not best to focus on the scriptures in the Bible and not on imitating an ancient order? Doesn’t Jesus want us to keep our eyes on Him? Hebrews 12:2 says, “…looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God”. Are Christians to look to an ancient church, or to Christ and the Word of God, alone? Isn’t the Bible enough???

“The contemporary Order of the Mustard Seed is being catalyzed and nurtured by 24-7 Prayer (www.24-7prayer.com), an international, interdenominational community of prayer, mission and justice, inspired in part by the Moravian renewal of the 18th century. The call to consider Zinzendorf’s Mustard Seed vow as a ‘Rule of Life’ for the 21st century is made in ‘The Vision
and The Vow’, a book written by Pete Greig. Another great author, Phil Anderson, wrote ‘The Lord of the Ring’, a contemporary biography of Zinzendorf which examines the history of the original Mustard Seed Order in more detail. A website (www.mustardseedorder.com) exists to provide encouragement, resources, and a community of fellowship for those who are interested in taking Zinzendorf’s vow as a ‘Rule of Life'” (see source from pdf document on top of page).

Pete Greig has resurrected the order partly due to an interest (or fascination) with the Moravians, and seems to be inspired by the life of Count Zinzendorf (these topics are listed on their official website and pdf documents). Many of those in the Apostolic and Prophetic Movement (NAR), who embrace a dominionist view (For the ‘Seven Mountains Mandate’ video, click here) by which they believe themselves God’s agents who are mandated to take over (dominate) the ‘seven mountains of society’, bringing heaven to earth via ‘kingdom now theology’, have an obsession with Zinzendorf and the Moravians. A visit to the 24-7 websites, such as IHOP-KC, and even Rick Joyner’s MorningStar Ministries, will confirm their fascination, as they openly discuss and honor the Moravians, the Order of the Mustard Seed, and Count Zinzendorf on their official ministry pages.

I spent a few hours researching this. I started off at the 24-7 prayer website. From there, just by clicking on the links, I realized that all of these ministries are mysteriously interlinked and related, like a chain (in other words, they support each other and link to each other; they are associated ministries and projects. The following projects are linked: 24-7 Prayer, 7 mountains mandate, http://www.CampusAmerica.org, LivingGenerously.com, http://www.mustardseedorder.com, Celtic Monasteries, Prayer for Holy Trinity, ‘The Vision and the Vow’, ‘Punk Monk’ (a book), Kansas City Boiler Room, Millenium 3 Monasteries, http://www.lightthefire.org, The Call, Arizona Call to Prayer, The Vision Video, and the ‘2020 Vision’ Document.

COUNT NIKOLAUS LUDWIG VON ZINZENDORF AND THE MORAVIAN CHURCH

The History of the Order of the Mustard Seed goes back to Count Nikolaus Ludwig von Zinzendorf, born in Germany (1700-1760). He was a religious leader who was the reformer and organizer of the Moravian Church. The Mustard Seed Order was originally a secret order started by Zinzendorf at just fifteen years old, and according to a few sources, is a long dormant Masonic Order. This information is gleaned from The order of the Mustard Seed main website, a few Freemasonry Encyclopedias (see my link on the bottom of this post to view previous article for sources). One author has noted that ‘The History of Freemasonry’ by Albert G. Mackey (1898] provided this information as well. A few sources say that Zinzendorf created the Zinzendorf Rite. If the Freemasonry Encyclopedias are correct, then Zinzendorf was indeed a Freemason as they record. In 1715, Zinzendorf and four friends first formed the group which became the Order of the Mustard Seed.

Prior to this, in Bohemia and Moravia, the Moravian sect grew rapidly to about 400 congregations in the early 16th century. The Lutheran movement in Germany brought attempts to unite the Moravians under the Lutheran denomination. The Calvinistic reformation saw the Moravians align more with them. When the anti-reformation occured, horrible persecution by the Catholics eliminated most of the Moravian Congregations. However, a few of the Moravian sect families survived in Moravia. Later, in 1722, they left their homes and land and journeyed to Germany in search of religious freedom. By invitation from Count Zinzendorf himself, they settled on his estate and built a town called Herrnhut.

WHY PROFESSED CHRISTIANS WANT TO FOLLOW THE MORAVIANS, COUNT ZINZENDORF AND THE ANCIENT ORDER OF THE MUSTARD SEED AND ARE CREATING DISCIPLES OF THE ORDER

Wikipedia Encyclopedia:

“One ritual the Moravians practiced was, ‘Setting up a watch of continuous prayer which ran uninterrupted, 24 hours a day, for 100 years'”

Why are these emerging movements who seek to ‘dominate the world for Christ via the seven mountains’ enamored by the Moravians and the ancient order of Count Zinzendorf? They mention them on their ministry pages. Is the resurrection of this order innocent (a blessing) or a curse? Why are Christians magnetically drawn to Zinzendorf and his Moravian Church in these last days? What is the agenda, if there is one, and why not just follow Christ and the Apostle Paul’s example? Is there a political and social agenda? If the roots and beginnings of this Order are masonic or erroneous, doesn’t that make the entire movement flawed due to the occult nature of the freemasons? “A little leaven leavens the whole lump” (Galatians 5:9).

Rick Joyner of MorningStar Ministries also speaks on the 24-7 prayer ritual and the Morovians as seen on his website:

“In this episode of Prophetic Perspectives, Rick Joyner shares about the legacy of the Moravians, rooted mostly in their global missionary endeavors. Not only did the Moravians give birth to modern missions, but they also started a 100 year intercessory prayer meeting that continues to affect modern Christianity to this day”.

Are these churches doing a good endeavor, or are they being yoked with a masonic order or dominionist agenda? Why is Pete Greig inspired by celtic monasteries, ‘punk’ and monks?

FREEMASONRY: IS THERE A CORRELATION? THE MORAVIANS, THE ORDER OF THE MUSTARD SEED, COUNT ZINZENDORF & ORIGINS OF FREEMASONRY (MASONIC ORDER, THE OCCULT)

Why are there skulls and punk music in this “Jesus” video? This is another spirit. Click here to watch this video about ‘the Vision’. I must warn you, the Holy-Spirit filled Christian will cringe at this video.

Is the 24-7 prayer movement healthy and pure? The following research has been taken from the Columbia Encyclopedia:

“Moravian Church – Renewed Church of the Brethren, or Unitas Fratrumyoonēˈtäs fräˈtroom, an evangelical Christian communion whose adherents are sometimes called United Brethren or Herrnhuters. It originated (1457) near Kunwald, Bohemia, among some of the followers of John Huss and was originally known as the Church of the Brotherhood. A break between the new brotherhood and the Roman Church occurred in 1467, and persecution drove many of the Brethren out of Bohemia and Moravia into Poland, Austria, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. The Moravians established excellent schools and printing presses, but by the end of the Thirty Years War (1648), only a remnant of the original movement remained. In 1722 a company of those still faithful to the teachings of the Brethren took refuge in Saxony, where they built a town, Herrnhut, reviving the elements of the original church and founding the Renewed Moravian Church (1727). The church’s missionary endeavors soon extended to the West Indies, North and South America, Africa, and Asia, chiefly under the direction of August Gottlieb Spangenberg, who later became (1735) the founder of the Moravian Church in America. Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Lititz, Pa., were founded (c.1740) as Moravian settlements, and missionary work among Native Americans and white settlers was actively carried on. In 1999 the U.S. church joined with several others in establishing full communion with the country’s largest Lutheran denomination. During the late 20th cent. the church experienced increasing growth outside of its well-established communities. By 2000 church membership was about 50,000 in the United States and 700,000 worldwide, with about half of the worldwide total in Tanzania. The Moravians emphasize conduct rather than doctrine, and their church is governed by provincial synods, the bishops having only spiritual and administrative authority. The music in Moravian churches is famous, especially the part-singing of the congregations. See historical studies by E. Langton (1956) and J. T. Hamilton (1989); E. A. Sawyer, All about the Moravians (1990). (The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition Copyright© 2004, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V.)

ZINZENDORF’S ‘RELIGION OF THE HEART’ VS. ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY

Zinzendorf heart religion and Columbia Encyclopedia they emphasized conduct rather than doctrine.

Zinzendorf was ecumenical, and the official Moravian Church website says here that the Moravians have always been ecumenical. As I researched the doctrines on the official website of the Moravian Church, I also noticed their very unsound doctrine concerning homosexuality and ordination.

Check out the publications of the Moravians. They are fascinated with Zinzendorf. Their site also links up with the Unity of the Brethren. According to Christianity Today, “The Unity of the Brethren are the spiritual descendants of the martyr John Hus who was condemned by the Council of Constance and was burned at the stake on July 6, 1415”.

PIETISM – WHAT IS IT

Encyclopedia Britannica also notes that Count Zinzendorf was a religious and social reformer of the German Pietist movement who, as leader of the Moravian church (Unitas Fratrum), aimed to create an ecumenical Protestant movement! According to the same source, ecumenism in the 17th and 18th centuries existed for a united church between Lutherans and Reformed based on the “simplified dogmas,” such as the Apostles’ Creed and the agreements of the church in the first five centuries. Count Zinzendorf applied his Moravian piety to the practical ways that unity could come to Christians of all persuasions. Zinzendorf had Moravian refugees on his estate. His estate was in Saxony. Pietism quickly spread and later became concerned with social and educational matters.

It is interesting that the modern movements of dominionism and ‘seven mountains mandate’ are social movements concerned with the ‘seven mountains’ of society. German Pietismus began among German Lutherans as a reform movement. It emphasized personal faith against the main Lutheran church’s stress on doctrine and theology over Christian living. Its indirect influence has continued in Germany and other parts of Europe.

Volume 4 of the Cyclopedia of Education describes Pietism as the following: A movement that occurred within the Lutheran church in the 17th century, stimulated by the opposition of the formalism and intolerance in the dogma and practice of the church. The result of the Thirty Years’ War had been to establish a number of ‘little popes’, each with is own official clergy to protect an intolerant creed. Theological quibbling on questions of doctrine, a cold, logical and intellectual religion, had sprung up, and close adherance in forms was demanded. Against this condition came a movement for practical Christianity, pious conduct, and faith; the heart rather than the intellect was the seat of religious beliefs. Philiip Jacob Spener (1625-1705) is generally regarded as the leader of the movement…conduct was to be inspired by inner light, deep reverence, and true conception of religion…it (Pietism) was even more powerful in education…the Moravians, a direct offshoot of the Pietist movement, established schools as soon as they were organized.

Count Zinzendorf had a special zeal and capacity for education and young people.

This is all the research I have for now. I urge you to take a stroll to the library or ‘google’ Zinzendorf and let me know if you find out anything of interest. Feel free to leave a comment on this blog. If you google “Count Zinzendorf + freemasonry”, several books and encyclopedias will come up.

I understand that free masons do lie, and many sources may be incorrect. However, not every free mason source was written by a free mason. I am trying to find the truth.


Please also research Count Karl von Zinzendorf. He was a physician who lived around the same time. He may actually be the one who founded the Zinzendorf Rite, instead of Ludwig. It all depends on the sources and if they are valid or not.  Just trying to get to the truth!  

RELATED ARTICLES:

Thought on Rising 24-7 Prayer Movement

Pete Greig’s ‘2020 Vision’ Official Document

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